Mackintosh

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rainwear-experience
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Re: Mackintosh

Post by rainwear-experience » January 10th, 2019, 2:40 pm

spitfire617 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:35 pm
Domino wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 11:40 am
Joking aside, the problem I have with it is that it is just plain wrong. It comes from the name of the inventor of the original material, Charles Macintosh. He simply didn't have a 'k' in his name. Would we readily accept 'berbury' or 'barber' or even 'huver' or 'byro'? Would we think "Ooh, how trendy! Here's a new way of spelling it. Must follow suit." or would we think "How ignorant!" ?
Wikipedia says "the variant spelling is now standard" but what they mean is "the mis-spelling is now out of control".
Where did the "K" come from anyway?
The alphabet shop

Apparently in Wales there's no letter "K"

Hopefully no one wants to buy a Kit Kat

Domino
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Re: Mackintosh

Post by Domino » January 10th, 2019, 4:11 pm

spitfire617 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:35 pm
Domino wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 11:40 am
Joking aside, the problem I have with it is that it is just plain wrong. It comes from the name of the inventor of the original material, Charles Macintosh. He simply didn't have a 'k' in his name. Would we readily accept 'berbury' or 'barber' or even 'huver' or 'byro'? Would we think "Ooh, how trendy! Here's a new way of spelling it. Must follow suit." or would we think "How ignorant!" ?
Wikipedia says "the variant spelling is now standard" but what they mean is "the mis-spelling is now out of control".
Where did the "K" come from anyway?
Since you ask, Paul, possibly from confusion witn the architect / artist, Charles Rennie Mackintosh. He was born McIntosh, but both he and his father changed the spelling to Mackintosh for unknown reasons.
Historically, the name McIntosh derives from the Gaelic, Mac an Toisich, which meant 'son of the chief'' and later became a clan name. The origin is obviously the same for Taoiseach, the Irish title for its prime minister. Remember the Scots originally came from Ireland.
In the UK (and probably elsewhere) the variations in spelling of surnames came about because those who recorded the names (be they monks or lay clerks) just spelled the names in the way they thought appropriate and those giving the names to be recorded were mostly illiterate.
Bet you wish you'd never asked now, eh? :lol:

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Re: Mackintosh

Post by plasphil » January 10th, 2019, 6:14 pm

When I was last in Glasgow there was a pink bus with 'THE MACKINTOSH EXPERIENCE' sign written on it. Imagine my disappointment when it turned out to be all about old furniture and buildings etc.!

Phil

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Re: Mackintosh

Post by Taffmac » January 11th, 2019, 4:52 pm

rainwear-experience wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:40 pm
spitfire617 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:35 pm
Domino wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 11:40 am
Joking aside, the problem I have with it is that it is just plain wrong. It comes from the name of the inventor of the original material, Charles Macintosh. He simply didn't have a 'k' in his name. Would we readily accept 'berbury' or 'barber' or even 'huver' or 'byro'? Would we think "Ooh, how trendy! Here's a new way of spelling it. Must follow suit." or would we think "How ignorant!" ?
Wikipedia says "the variant spelling is now standard" but what they mean is "the mis-spelling is now out of control".
Where did the "K" come from anyway?
The alphabet shop

Apparently in Wales there's no letter "K"

Hopefully no one wants to buy a Kit Kat
There's no "V", "X" or "Z" in Welsh either. Try finding a sexy vinyl raincoat in Primark.

rainwear-experience
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Re: Mackintosh

Post by rainwear-experience » January 11th, 2019, 7:23 pm

Taffmac wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 4:52 pm
rainwear-experience wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:40 pm
spitfire617 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 2:35 pm


Where did the "K" come from anyway?
The alphabet shop

Apparently in Wales there's no letter "K"

Hopefully no one wants to buy a Kit Kat
There's no "V", "X" or "Z" in Welsh either. Try finding a sexy vinyl raincoat in Primark.
Thats the Welsh for you stealing all our letters :D

bjhaus
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Re: Mackintosh

Post by bjhaus » January 12th, 2019, 9:26 am

No V in Weish?

What about all the Welsh families called Evans?

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Re: Mackintosh

Post by mackintoshed » January 12th, 2019, 10:58 am

Yes there are several families in Wales called Evans, that doesn't alter the fact that there is no 'v' in the Welsh alphabet. We have Jones, Williams Hughes etc, all as common names, but they are not Welsh. This is obvious in the spelling. These names are the bi-products of English colonialism and its deliberate attempt at forcing an English hegemony on all its colonies. The English Empire wasn't only guilt of atrocities in foreign lands, Wales Ireland and Scotland too have been victims of imperialism.
For V see f
For F see FF
I hope, bjhaus, this clears matters up for you.

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Re: Mackintosh

Post by rainwear-experience » January 12th, 2019, 11:06 am

mackintoshed wrote:
January 12th, 2019, 10:58 am
Yes there are several families in Wales called Evans, that doesn't alter the fact that there is no 'v' in the Welsh alphabet. We have Jones, Williams Hughes etc, all as common names, but they are not Welsh. This is obvious in the spelling. These names are the bi-products of English colonialism and its deliberate attempt at forcing an English hegemony on all its colonies. The English Empire wasn't only guilt of atrocities in foreign lands, Wales Ireland and Scotland too have been victims of imperialism.
For V see f
For F see FF
I hope, bjhaus, this clears matters up for you.
FFS :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Mackintosh

Post by mackintoshed » January 12th, 2019, 12:04 pm

Nice to see some intelligent input by rainwer-experience. The bigoted 'Right', after all, have never been noted for their debating skills.

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Re: Mackintosh

Post by rainwear-experience » January 12th, 2019, 12:31 pm

mackintoshed wrote:
January 12th, 2019, 12:04 pm
Nice to see some intelligent input by rainwer-experience. The bigoted 'Right', after all, have never been noted for their debating skills.
Well I've been accused of a lot of things in my years but never of belonging to "The bigoted 'Right'" :lol: :lol: :lol:

In one very small part of Wales the phrase "sense of humour" seems to have gone missing

Why not spend some quality time with yourself and try to remove the chip from your shoulder and the clouds from your eyes and lighten up

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